Seiko is no longer a value powerhouse. One could argue they are now behind the eight ball. This SPB187 is a adequate representation of those statements. There is no doubt that I enjoy this watch, but it has it’s issues. I detail it all in this review.
For those shopping I bought mine from Kenta at
https://www.japan-onlinestore.com/Release_date/December_2020/SBDC127
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Maybe seiko should be like Rolex and have minimal options and not have so much innovation and only do minimal changes from year to year decade to decade because I like the silhouette, case, bezel, dial, hands, lume of the seiko over submariner. Rolex has pretty much one diver and seiko has who even knows how many???
I have several Seiko divers. My go to is my SLA059, I wear 3-4 days a week. And yes I agree that the quality of the mm200 is not on par with what they are charging. Some will say we are too used to the under priced Seiko model but if you are going to ask for more, than you should provide more, not “down size” as the rest of the world is doing.
Id say its worth the price u can find them unworn for around $600.00 usd.
When I buy a Seiko diver, I try to buy from a Japanese dealer, because they tend to inspect their stock for misalignment, and other issues.
It's the pin and collar bracelets that would stop me buying this or any watch that uses them.
I must admit. This watch is my third watch (all are Seiko). I've had this one a month and fallen heavily in love with it. ❤
The fact is that we are always disappointed by seiko this one was an absolute wish. I saw the 44 millimetre version on a prospect and it was immediately a love story but you need to pay 3k to get a good seiko. I do not think that quality ok seiko is going down, I think that the generation of watch enthusiasts who grew up with seiko has enough developed his taste to know that seiko has his limits. I do not know if the feeling is shared in the USA but it is my feeling from France (we are less open minded on non-Swiss watch than American people are I think) but the fact is when you look an skx, the quality is extremely bad, we were really happy with that before discovering omega etc ! (Excuse my English)
Find that the SPB 185 is an exceptional value. Disagree about the bracelet. Case design is top drawer. Movement tbd and needs adjustment. The metal bezel is outstanding. Wears like a Rolex (and I have one). Bought for about $850 US.
But why would you judge a microbrand harder? 🤷♂️
Lol, I don't agree at all. I am rocking the Pepsi MM200 Pepsi Padi, love the arrow hands! My SPB087 is so far superior than the new reduced. Better lume and my alignment on the dial and the bezel, 👌 💯. Worn on the Seiko bracelet or an Uncle Seiko Waffle or Tropic, so comfy.
I really wish someone would make a Seiko MM homage that doesn't suck, and care more about quality control unlike Seiko.
The watch does not have a signed crown, which does not make sense from Seiko. The 6R35 movement is very good with 70 hours power reserve, but again why not 72 or even 80 hours and why not having ceramic bezel that is perfectly aligned.
1000.00 is the new 200.00.
Not too hard to spend a grand on a g shock these days either.
I agree. Until the 1990s i used to associate Seiko with quality and precision. Since then, it seems they are flooding the marked with overpriced watches. A lot of Seikos up to $ 1 700 gives a hefty first impression, until one study their details. Lot of boring and misaligned bezels, cheap ugly handset, lack of sapphire crystals, to sharp edges on cyclops. And also annoying is cheap steel used on their latest Seiko 5 GMT. Too many Seikos gives me the same feeling as cheap «clothing»-brands. For $500 it should absolutely have sapphire and 316L steel.
My Seiko mod marinemaster built from a San Martin and Nakimods parts is way better. I installed a 28800 movement on purpose and it’s running silky smooth.
0:01 you stole this from a movie title!!
Hey man great video! Which watch you choose between spb187 and spb143… I’m so undecided…thanks!
Right on! Thank you!
Why is this Marine Master 200 more expensive than the 3gen sumo if they have the same movement?
I prefer the 143 bracelet which is more rounded and folds much better, wondering if it would work with this watch which would make it my perfect sieko dive watch
I don't understand your view, I mean if you want more detail buy an SLA or go to the LX line or even a GS diver. These are beautiful watches with excellent price! You can't buy a $1000 watch and expect 100%. Try a Swiss watch around $ 1000-2000 and you will see hell on earth in terms of quality finishing and movements. Seiko gives you all kind of watches depending on your budget. I have GS diver and an SKX and I enjoy both.
I love my seiko and I own 2 sumos and for the price point of the marinemaster I rather get longines is more luxury and is Swiss watch
Thanks for your honesty and detailed breakdown. I have owned several Seiko divers and am just drawn to them. I currently wear my vintage SHC043 200m divers with a sapphlex crystal and 7N36 quartz movement. I purchased the watch way back in 1985 and it has kept good time all these years .
In other video I have noticed that Seiko make like 60 000 pieces in 5 hrs. With such a huge production, even some pieces got misaligned bezel, it is still one of the most precise mass production anyway 😃🤞